Unconventional thinking about the Middle East.

Sunday, December 14, 2008

George Bush Avenue (Updated)

I think quite a number of Iraqis were embarassed by how their guest got treated today. Personally, I got angry. Very angry.

I will make a public promise: should I ever run into a certain reporter called Muntather al-Zaidi, presently of Al-Baghdadia TV, I will seriously consider beating the crap out of him. If I am successful in bringing him down, then my coup de grace shall be to take one of his shoes, preferably the one on the right, and stuff it in his mouth. I know that will be illegal. I am willing to face all the legal consequences, and the tribal ones too. But as I said, I will give it serious consideration. And should it come to light that someone had put him up to it, paid him or cajoled him into doing it, then they too will get the same treatment. I'm not cut out to be a thug, but I will try anyway.

See, I will forever remain indebted to President George W. Bush. He is my hero. He liberated Iraq, and that's how I will always see it. Had there been no President Bush, then Saddam would still be Saddam.

The usual suspects are ecstatic over what happened, especially the US-based media and Iraq-watchers. I would like to beat them all up too, but I think that would be a tad bit excessive. The best revenge is to make them watch Iraq's democracy strengthen and prosper. Today's images gave them a temporary high; a new Iraq, free and democratic, something they believed would never happen, will gnaw at their insides for the rest of their lives. I'll settle for that.

Give it twenty years or so, but a main thoroughfare in Baghdad will be called George Bush Avenue. Or maybe that's just the name of my driveway. Anyway, there will be a big sign and all.

In the meantime, the progeny and immediate family of Muntather al-Zaidi will have a new tribal classification: the Albu Ni'alaan (ألبو نعلان), of the Bani Qanadir (بنو قنادر).

UPDATE, Thursday, December 18, 2008:

Well now I feel sorry for the guy. It is one thing for me to beat him up and go to jail, and quite another for him to get beaten up in jail. Excessive violence against unarmed civilians who can't fight back in illegal in my book, and immoral if conducted by those in uniform. I'm also sure that al-Zaidi isn't hiding information that could save lives, so coersion isn't warranted in his case. The Iraqi government is in its full right in exercising its prerogative to prosecute him, still I think he should be let go. He's a jerk who's going to be fetted by other jerks for a couple of months (...expect a book contract too) then his life will be reduced to the familiar and tragic pattern of has-been-dom.

This whole incident does not diminish the immensity of what is being accomplished in Iraq, nor does it detract from President Bush's role in bringing these events about. Al-Zaidi belongs in a footnote somewhere, as do his promoters.

56 Comments:

Blogger Bill Baar said...

Thanks Nibras..thanks

2:40 PM, December 14, 2008

 
Blogger Gateway Pundit said...

Nibras- Could you please tell us more about the al-Baghdadia news service? I suspect it is Sunni since it is based out of Cairo.

Do you know any more about the reporter?

Michelle Malkin reported he was kidnapped last year and mysteriously let go.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/12/14/bds-iraqi-journalist-edition/

Jim Hoft

2:41 PM, December 14, 2008

 
Blogger Louise said...

Hear! Hear!

3:43 PM, December 14, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have a great admiration to what Mr. Bush did today. I have as many Iraqis do from today a great respect for Mr. Bush. He proved to us Iraqis and to the world that getting rid of Saddam and his animals is the best thing he did in his life. Thank you Mr. Bush.

Nibras, only today I knew why Arab leaders don't come to Iraq. Do you think one day an Iraqi journalist will be able to throw his shoes on Gadaffi for example? If such thing happened, it will be the best day of my life.

Ali/Iraq

4:17 PM, December 14, 2008

 
Anonymous Justice said...

"In the meantime, the progeny and immediate family of Muntather al-Zaidi will have a new tribal classification: the Albu Ni'alaan (ألبو نعلان), of the Bani Qanadir (بنو قنادر)."

LMAO! Great one Nibras!

Best regards,

Basil

6:12 PM, December 14, 2008

 
Anonymous drfaust said...

Fact check:
he was not your guest. you didn't invite him. he occupy your country. he can come and go without your permission. (hehe) he was your master. just paying a visit to you (or to your people).
you were a naughty slaves. no dinner for tonight.

6:23 PM, December 14, 2008

 
Blogger Mister Ghost said...

I think that "shoe" was "the weapon of mass destruction"
Bush attacked Iraq for. He finally found it.

Hesam0000 at Youtube


Now that is funny...

Even funnier and sadder:

"There are more fundamentalists in the Iraqi govt today than in the last 100 years."

Iraqi Mojo

7:44 PM, December 14, 2008

 
Blogger Chicago Ray said...

Many of we Americans are proud of what Bush and Blair tried to do for Iraq sometimes in the wrong ways but well intentioned regardless of what the left wing loons maintain.

Bush has been fighting US Democrats, liberals and the media as vociferously as Al Queda the entire time, one big group of human slugs themselves who for some reason still maintain that saving Iraq from Saddam wasn't worth the effort unless WMD was found!

I do wish Iraqi's could let the media know how they feel now about the invasion today and if they all feel the way you do please demand to be heard.

And many of us also say your welcome and please don't let them steal away the freedoms our military and your citizens have fought so hard for for these 6 years.

9:47 PM, December 14, 2008

 
Blogger Frieda said...

What shameful act by an Iraqi. the whole Iraqi nation should be embarrased.

the idea that you did it and did not get killed on the spot, shows the progress in Iraq.

Actually, I am now more impressed as to how Bush handled the situation than anything else.

Bush showed class.

12:12 AM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Funny how people are deluded. I still have a pic of Rummy smiling & shaking hands with Saddam in December 83. And Rummy wasn't there to discuss culture & trade...

You want facts ?

- The only building US forces protected when entering in Baghdad was the Ministry of Oil.

- Nobody in the US administration cared about the rest of your country's infrastructure being looted to ground during weeks.

- During years, nobody in the US administration ignored, nor attempted to prevent the oil smuggling with Jordan & Turkey for two simple reasons: first it wasn't hidden: with Jordan alone a daily flow of 3000 trucks were crossing the border. Second, it is never sound to impose an embargo which will directly hurt your allies.

- If you check US documents, you will find jewels like the DIA tagging the use of phosphorous-based artillery ammo by Saddam as chemical warfare, while the same ammo used by US forces is defined as conventional.

But whatever, you're only 32 years old, have probably never had access to any kind of reserved information, and are entitled to your opinion. All I can say is that there are only one clear looser and one clear winner in the equation.

Winner: I couldn't imagine Iran hoping for something better than the mess the US created in Iraq. Hell, the US government was so smart that it even achieved to create joint military interests between Turkey & Iran concerning the implications of a Kurdish autonomous area based around Kirkuk and its oil fields.

Looser: The USA. How much does the invasion & botched reconstruction cost, taking into account that there's no way the US can leave without religious, ethnic and tribal issues resurfacing ? And that in a country bordering nations with such diverging interests like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey & Iran ?

As long the US people is smart enough to choose as president a guy who gets his first passport only after being elected, and then expect that he will be able to understand geopolitics, we will witness this level of enlightened policies. Strange world we live in. CEO's involved in mismanagement land in jail, while a small group of individuals who manipulated 300 million US citizen to wage their own private vendetta overseas can peacefully retire, hold conferences or sell their butts as chairman to whatever institution instead of having to answer for the consequences of their enlightened decisions and the related destruction & deaths.

Iraq has been the first nation with a predominant muslim population to grant extensive social rights and access to academic studies to women. Ironically, this happened under Saddam. On the long term, the potential of a country to develop harmoniously is linked to the quality of its intelligentsia. But your country's intellectual tissue has been lost and scattered all around the globe, in no small amount due to the exquisite lack of management of your US overlords.

Is it because Iraq has become such a lovely place thanks to the USA that you're a "visiting" Scholar at the Hudson Institute in Washington DC, dear Nibras ?

3:56 AM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous:- you don't know your facts: the rights given to women happened in 1959 under General Qasim, the president of Iraq that Saddam tried to assassinate.

get a handle on your facts before you start quoting the ba3thist propaganda machine.

7:44 AM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous:- you don't know your facts: the rights given to women happened in 1959 under General Qasim, the president of Iraq that Saddam tried to assassinate.

get a handle on your facts before you start quoting the ba3thist propaganda machine.

7:44 AM, December 15, 2008

 
Blogger Iron Chef Kosher! said...

The only Iraqi who has anything of which to be ashamed is the one who threw the shoes. I am actually pained at the idea of any other Iraqi feeling guilty!

I, too, would like to think of the US as liberators - we certainly owed it to the people of Iraq having installed Saddam Hussein over them when it suited us. Here's hoping we have learned our lesson & have apologized adequately enough for our past transgressions.

8:02 AM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I could care less about Baath. Unable to look at history straight in the face ?

You refer to Abd al-Karim Qasim, the cool guy who overthrow the Royal Family by staging a military coup, and who executed them at the Rihab Palace, disregarding that the Prince ordered loyal army units to disengage in order to avoid a bloodbath.

Yes, it's true that he wrote the first constitution giving rights to women. However, you know as well as I do that its only with the constitution of 1970 that formal access of women to universities and high positions were formally granted. And like it or not, that happened under Saddam.

By the way, since we were talking about Qasim, doesn't it bother you that Saddam overthrow him with the support of the CIA ? After all Qasim was all cozy in bed with the russkies and was a growing pain in the butt for british interests in the Middle East. Smells like deja vu isn't it...

8:24 AM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The shoe incident is Bush's vindication that Iraq has become a democracy. The shameful behavior by this Iraqi journalist is what it is: shameful, but also a proof of freedom of expression, even as it comes in such a crude and despicable manner. I'd vote for a George W. Bush Avenue.

8:29 AM, December 15, 2008

 
Blogger Chicago Ray said...

Know it all libs are great at cutting and pasting talking points in other people's blogs, but cant even spell "Loser"........ it's not "Looser" Mr know it all.

I see this mistake all the time in liberal talking points dropped all over blogs like turds from flocks of seagulls all the time. Get some spelling lessons.

"The shoe incident is Bush's vindication that Iraq has become a democracy. "
Exactly the point missed by some Iraqi's and most liberals, this guy woulda been dog meat in Saddam's favorite citizen meat grinders, instead he's getting kicked around like the dog he is in custody, which he deserves for assaulting the most powerful man in the world.

10:21 AM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ chicago ray:

Well, it's quite a self defining admission of your inability to attack any relevant issue if the best you can come with is an attack based on a typo. You would have realized that provided you can actually think before writing...

11:26 AM, December 15, 2008

 
Blogger Lee said...

How could you miss the president from that range? A few steps closer, and he would have been point blank. What a looser.

1:15 PM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous crude analysis said...

Lee--
Shoes aren't the easiest object to throw at a target. I'd probably miss. It was quite the throw, though. It was mostly Bush's quick reflexes and downright luck that it missed him. Would the impact be any different if it did hit him square in the face? Would more people (Americans and Arabs) feel bad for him? Would this play any differently at all? I'm not sure, but I'm curious.

Additionally, what will actually happen to Zaidi? Or what do others think should happen to him?

-Crude Analysis

3:40 PM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous crude analysis said...

Frieda--

"Actually, I am now more impressed as to how Bush handled the situation than anything else. Bush showed class."

How did Bush show class? I think there were probably better ways of handling it with "class" other than the way he handled it. While he did a good job of playing it off as unimportant, his response didn't help his cause in how it plays in Iraq and throughout the region. His seemingly arrogant attitude didn't contribute to more people feeling bad for him or thinking it was that bad of a thing that occurred.

"I don't think you can take one guy throwing shoes and say, this represents a broad movement in Iraq," Bush said. "I don't think it would be accurate."

The security situation in Iraq has greatly improved in the past year and a half or so. It improved beyond my expectations and I'd be willing to bet that it also improved well beyond the expectations of President Bush and other key supporters of the "surge." However, Bush's attitude and assessment of this simply being a freak thing with just one individual and that it isn't a sign of something larger is somewhat misguided.

I was impressed with Bush's dodge and I did feel for him. However, Bush should also realize that the shoe was thrown for a reason and that it wasn't completely a joke. There are millions of others who feel like Zaidi threw the shoe for them. I agree that the throwing itself was completely unnecessary and it was good security took care of him. But yes, this is the consequence of democracy, I suppose.

3:53 PM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous crude analysis said...

While I can try my best to understand where Nibras is coming from with this, I also think it's worth trying to think about where Zaidi and others who are coming out in support of him are also coming from. There are many in Iraq who don't feel that they've gained the same "fruits of labor" as Nibras and many others out there.

3:58 PM, December 15, 2008

 
Anonymous crude analysis said...

This is an embarrassing event for Iraqis and if things like this start happening more often, it only makes Americans start asking: Why are we there if the Iraqis are throwing shoes at our President?

Will this have any lasting effects on the Iraq-U.S. relationship?

4:13 PM, December 15, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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Anoninnie @ 3:56

i have pictures of Chirac inside Ozirak (Iraq Nuclear Facility he helped build & supplied the uranium for) smiling & practically kissin' Saddam the madman..

you have a diplomatic pic of Rummy shaking Saddam's hand way back when devoid of context, which is about as evidential as a lump on a log for whatever reason you may think you're implying..

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8:47 PM, December 15, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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crude analysis @ 3:58 PM

boohoo, throw a shoe or two..

whaa whaa he missed & hissed..

no fair, he wants Dear Leader back..

true cause for his sneaky insulting attack..

liberalism is a mental disorder.. no
matter which culture practices it..

==

8:55 PM, December 15, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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crude analysis @ 4:13 PM

nah, albeit won't stop the deplorably despicable MSM from trying to portray it as a total & utter disaster vs victory for Iraq & the USA.. (thumbsup)

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8:59 PM, December 15, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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dear TG,

perhaps that Bush Monument will pop up on that yet to
be, but will eventually, Bush Avenue as well some day.. :)

==

9:08 PM, December 15, 2008

 
Blogger MixMax said...

so this blog became the Bush-love-circle meeting point or something.

We can look at it from another point of view: Iraq was liberated? yessss. We got rid of Saddam? wonderful and I danced when that happened. Democracy came with the invasion? no problem, there was no other way as Nibras mentioned. Atrocities were committed by all kind of scumbags from east and west? bad that this happened, Iraq what matter is its people will prevail. People are getting humiliated by U.S. troops, Iranian secret service, terrorists with white turbans, to name a few? yes, this is a coincidence because Iraq became the center of many interests at the same time.

A president who appear on TV and express regret that a war that wasted trillions of dollars (including the latest report on construction projects) and hundreds of thousands of human losses among Iraqis and Americans (among other nationalities) was based on false intelligence information? He deserve a pair of shoes on his face.

Good that he used to play baseball and managed to dodge them out

I might be grateful for the United States for getting rid of a dictatorship, but not on the account of humiliating my people, to the level that many of those who were happy for the removal of the butcher of Baghdad now unfortunately yearn for his days!

9:50 AM, December 16, 2008

 
Anonymous riyadh alshalchi said...

Mr. Kazimi the Farisi got angry his American master was humiliated. He is angry at Iraqis and wants to beat them all up because they don't share his love and devotion to the man who destroyed their country, slaughtered them in the hundreds of thousands and left them as scattered communities all over the world. What a joke.

Forget it, Kazimi. You can talk about the Baath and Saddam all you want. But there will NEVER be a place for sellouts and traitors like you in Iraq. There will NEVER be a George Bush avenue in Baghdad, and dream as much as you want from your Hudson Institute office, IRAQIS like Muntadhir will make sure it never happens. You will only get an old smelly Iraqi shoe in your face, coward.

10:21 AM, December 16, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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and the assons keep trolling along.. :D

==

10:36 AM, December 16, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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AMERICAN SHOE TOSS!!

==

11:39 AM, December 16, 2008

 
Anonymous Nadia said...

"I will make a public promise: should I ever run into a certain reporter called Muntather al-Zaidi, presently of Al-Baghdadia TV, I will seriously consider beating the crap out of him..."

Since you know what you have gone thru you give yourself the right to beat the crap out of the another guy. Try to make your world bigger and realise that you are using the same method. In fact you would do worse.

12:38 PM, December 16, 2008

 
Anonymous Justice said...

@ "riyad al shalchi"

"Mr. Kazimi the 'Farisi,'" huh?

Looks like we have some sort of a "Persian"/(e.g., Shia)-phobic Saddam loving Baathist on board!

Sorry to break it to you, but just because you're part of the 20% or so of Iraqis that Saddam looked after (relative to how he treated the majority of true, patriotic Iraqis), doesn't make you a "patriot" nor a "nationalist."

The true patriots are the Iraqis who spent their lives fighting Saddams' backward, ethnosectarian, minority-ruled system; NOT the "Iraqis" who spent their lives assisting in the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent Shia and Kurdish civilians for the purpose of cementing the rule of such a system.

Now I know that you and your filthy rats are still going through psychological denial resulting from the downfall of the savage and filthy tyrant, but sooner or later, I'm confident the new reality will sink in, whether you like it or not.

You and your chauvinistic Baathist dogs can bang your heads against the wall for the rest of eternity but the fact remains (and will always remain) that the "Furs" (Shia) and the "Sahayna" (Kurds) are here to rule over you and your likes until Judgement Day.

If you don't like it, by all means, feel free to move to the landfill bastion of scum and Saddam supporters otherwise known as Jordan; you won't be missed.

Best regards,

Basil

1:31 PM, December 16, 2008

 
Blogger bruce said...

The Iraqi government itself came to exist as the result of an illeagal action, as such, I don't see how it is entirely legitimate. I completely sympathisize with people like that reporter who threw the shoe. We had no place invading Iraq or questioning Saddam's right to rule a sovereign nation. Anyway, what is liberty worth if you are dead? And so many Iraqis are.

I think this shameful war should be ended and I hope Obama keeps his promise to pull out as quickly as possible. We should have pulled out by now, but by some "miracle" George W. Bush managed to win the 2004 election...

5:28 PM, December 16, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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bruce @ 5:28 PM

well you just keep on wondering because no matter how many times you state your OPINIONS they don't "miraculously" become FACTS..

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5:35 PM, December 16, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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via GP

Shoe-Chucker Loves Muqtada Al-Sadr

[...Al-Zeidi may have also been motivated by what ac colleague described as a boastful, showoff personality.

'He tried to raise topics to show that nobody is as smart as he is,' said Zanko Ahmed, a Kurdish journalist who attended a journalism training course with al-Zeidi in Lebanon.

Ahmed recalled that al-Zeidi spoke glowingly of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose followers organized protests Monday to demand his release.

'Regrettably, he didn't learn anything from the course in Lebanon, where we were taught ethics of journalism and how to be detached and neutral,' Ahmed said."]

why that sounds like the entire upper
crust of elitist Dems in Congress!! :D

==

6:06 PM, December 16, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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ROTFLMBO!!

==

6:08 PM, December 16, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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IRAQ AMBASSADOR FIRES BACK

[The Ambassador directly acknowledged the women’s presence in the audience. He called al-Zaidi’s act disgraceful and said the journalist was lucky that he didn’t try something like this under Saddam Hussein.]

YOWZA!! (thumbsup)

not like our chicken yhits here.. who shut up & go away when Dear Leader Obama tells them too.. gah!!

==

9:43 AM, December 17, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When Obama tells them TO, bg. Learn the difference between "to" and "too".

11:10 AM, December 17, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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'O'h w'O'w, i made a typ'O'..

i supp'O'se it's 'O'f with my head!! :D

made a lot of mistakes did ya??

==

11:51 AM, December 17, 2008

 
Anonymous gawad said...

I heard a rumour that he initially planned to throw used condoms.

7:06 AM, December 18, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It happens to you to hear about ABOU GHARIB; GUANTANAMO;...and other CRIMES of USA. There is NOTHING for america or its citizens to be proud of in the Bush era...Long life to OBAMA. I hpoe he'll restore this lost dignity of america.
Thank you

11:25 AM, December 18, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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Al-Zaidi Begs Maliki For Forgiveness

Crossing the line between
journalism and hooliganism


By Dr Sabah Salih
17/12/2008


[There has always been a coarse side to Iraqi culture, made much coarser by decades of tyranny under Saddam. Saddam essentially erased the life of the mind. Under his watch, public language was transformed into a gruesome instrument for demeaning and demonizing all opponents. Overtime, that language became as brutal and as vulgar as the regime’s other means and methods. Argument, persuasion, debate, and respect for words were replaced with denunciations, crude name-calling, wild accusations, and bombastic statements. Language use became like combat: the enemy was to be subjected to a ferocious linguistic attack until he would be left speechless. Next came the more gruesome part: the person’s head would be shaven, part of his ears would be cut off, in some cases part of the tongue as well; the poor fellow would then be paraded in public, kicked and spat at repeatedly.

This pattern was repeated in less gruesome forms at virtually every level—the workplace, the school, the university, the neighborhood, the security checkpoint, because everyone with a little power felt entitled to act and talk like the dictator himself. A hapless kid in class would be kicked, called a dog, donkey, or monkey amid the roaring laughter of his classmates. A citizen, without political connections, visiting a government office, would be rudely asked to wait outside or come back another day without being offered an explanation.

What I am about to describe may seem far-fetched for those accustomed to living in a civil society, but it was really part of the everyday under Saddam. I was among a crowd of about 200 waiting outside this prison, which was run by the military police, when a middle-aged woman walked up to one of the guards, asking when we would be allowed to go in. Visitation was once a month for just one hour. The guard shoved and kicked the woman repeatedly calling her the usual names until she was on the ground. When a couple of elderly women helped the woman get back on her feet, she said to one in particular, “Allah, you are my witness; what did I do to deserve this?”

My point is that, in various forms, what was done to Bush has been done to the Iraqi people a million times over; it continues to be done. It was done to me by my parents when I was too little to fend for myself, later by some of my teachers, in particular, my foul-mouthed, stick-wielding English teacher; and when I became a teacher myself I felt the position gave me the right to be as mean and as cruel as I wanted to be towards my student. Meanness and cruelty, I was told by colleagues, would translate into respect. Sadly, they were right. At home, I felt my male gender gave me the right to treat my little sisters in the same way. This social disease was the norm.

Iraqis can smell a Saddam loyalist a mile away, even as in this case the employer is a Cairo-based television station funded by the late dictator’s former henchmen. This hooligan, Muntadar al-Zaidi, tries to portray himself as the champion of the oppressed, but most Iraqis hear a familiar tune in his words, one, amazingly, much of the western media either can’t or doesn’t want to hear: it is the language of victimhood, liberation, and anti-colonialism in whose name Saddam justified his decades-long occupation of Iraq and turned genocide and village burning and mass graves into acts of heroism.

Try for a second to imagine this shoe-throwing hooligan as a father, husband, brother, neighbor, school teacher, policeman, judge: I don’t think the general pattern of his behavior and thinking would be any different, because his ugly deed pretty much defines his character; it also defines the milieu that cheers him. Regrettably, the social disease that gave us Saddam and his crudeness and cruelty continues to infect much of the Arab world.

If it is such hooliganism that gives the noisy part of Arab and Islamic political culture reason to feel good about itself, then another century will have to pass before shoe-throwing gives way to language as a means of debate, questioning, and understanding.]

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4:04 PM, December 18, 2008

 
Blogger bg said...

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Nofel al Jazairi

[It is not strange that a reporter from “Al Baghdadia” channel welcomed the President of the United States with this subhuman style and he is the guest of Iraq and with him the elected Prime Minister. These people ( Al Baghdadia journalist) only understand the language that they used (throwing shoes at President Bush) because freedom and democracy are not for the murderers and animals from “Al Baghdadia” channel, and “Al Jazeera” channel, and thank you Hussnei Moubarak.. Thank you all the Arab Moukhabart (intelligence services) who thought that Iraq and its people are villagers from the villages of Kureish...you have been disappointed...what you have done to the honored guest of Iraq (President Bush) is nothing but a continuation of your history...but the new Iraq is free from this collar. Iraq is back to its legitimate owners. There is no place for murderers in the new Iraq. The genie is out of the bottle.

For the free word and for the dignity of the journalists, I send an invitation from this forum to each journalist who wants to keep journalism away from dirt, to denounce this act that is far from the manners and far from the good taste. From your information, the ex-lawyer of Saddam formed a team from one hundred lawyers to defend this journalist who is foreign to journalism and I call for the shutting down for “Al Baghdadia” channel which proved herself and those who work for her that they are a tool from the tools of division and murder.]

Prominent Iraqi Rips Arab Supporters of Shoe-Throwing Reporter

أذا لم يكن لكم دين وكنتُم لا تخافون المعاد....فكونوا عُربا --- المهندس نوفل الجزائري

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4:08 PM, December 18, 2008

 
Anonymous crude analysis said...

What's the difference between beating him before going to jail and beating him while in jail? Your initial statements, while maybe in the heat of the moment, seemed to be much more hostile and violent than what Zaidi has actually experienced in jail. You just said that "excessive violence against unarmed civilians who can't fight back is illegal", yet initially you acknowledged that your personal beating of him would be "illegal," but that you would accept the legal consequences (and the tribal ones too). Was this just grandstanding? Or did you simply misjudge the Iraqi public's response to the shoe-thrower?

5:13 PM, December 18, 2008

 
Blogger Jaguar b. p. said...

the fact remains (and will always remain) that the "Furs" (Shia)
and the "Sahayna" (Kurds) are here to rule over you and your likes until Judgement Day.


Thanks for your wonderful democratic manifesto. It looks like your judgement day is coming soon,
the Kurds will be chopped to pieces as the cross worshippers flee.

11:29 PM, December 18, 2008

 
Anonymous Gawad said...

Jaguar B.P., you are a sad, disturbed victim of being touched in the private areas when you were a young boy. I hope you are buried alive someday soon. Your picture is some sort of prostitute, maybe your mother? I bet you are half Kurdish as you mom chased Kurdish fellows all day long and finally someone slept with her (from the back) out of mercy.

8:11 AM, December 19, 2008

 
Anonymous justice said...

Repeating a lie over and over again can give it creditability= US brought democracy, freedom,..., to irak...

9:20 AM, December 19, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crude. Can't a man fight another man. Nibras is saying that he wants to fight Zaidi mano a mano. What is your problem with that?

I think you cannot understand what you read. Did you fail reading comprehension in kindergarden?

12:20 PM, December 19, 2008

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The American people should know that George W. Bush is not only a war criminal: for example, he is also a hate-crime criminal.

George W. Bush had better stop committing hate crimes.

“What did you think of that NAACP anti-Bush race-baiting ad in 2000? You know, the one that practically said Bush was responsible for the dragging-to-death-behind-a-truck murder of a black man just because he didn’t sign a hate crimes bill several years after the man’s death” (Posted by Aaron. Retrieved December 11, 2008, from http://www.metafilter.com/14860/).

ON THE TOPIC OF HATE CRIME(S):

George W. Bush hates black people (indicated at http://andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com/2008/12/andrew-yu-jen-wang-responds-to-stokely.html).

“Sean Penn accuses Bush of ‘criminal negligence’” (Retrieved December 11, 2008, from http://www.deadlykatrina.com/?p=115). Thus, Sean Penn believes that George W. Bush was at fault, criminally, relative to the Katrina disaster.

“Had the residents of New Orleans been white Republicans in a state that mattered politically, instead of poor blacks in city that didn’t, Bush’s response surely would have been different. Compare what happened when hurricanes Charley and Frances hit Florida in 2004. Though the damage from those storms was negligible in relation to Katrina’s, the reaction from the White House was instinctive, rapid, and generous to the point of profligacy. Bush visited hurricane victims four times in six weeks and delivered relief checks personally. Michael Brown of FEMA, now widely regarded as an incompetent political hack, was so responsive that local officials praised the agency’s performance.”

“The kind of constituency politics that results in a big life-preserver for whites in Florida and a tiny one for blacks in Louisiana may not be racist by design or intent. But the inevitable result is clear racial discrimination. It won’t change when Republicans care more about blacks. It will change when they have more reason to care.”

Jacob Weisberg. (2005, September 7). An Imperfect Storm . . . How race shaped Bush’s response to Katrina. Slate. Retrieved December 7, 2008, from http://www.slate.com/?id=2125812&nav=tap2/

“And I’m sorry, but anyone who doesn’t think race has anything to do with the way things have gone down in New Orleans is really beyond help. Like my man Big Sexy said: ‘Do you think folks woulda been left out like that if this had happened in Vermont?’ A complete and utter disgrace” (Posted by Jackie Chiles. Retrieved December 7, 2008, from http://aofg.blogs.com/the_airing_of_grievances/2005/09/kanye_west_.html).

Assuming that George W. Bush had in fact been criminally negligent relative to the Katrina disaster, would Bush be responsible for hate crime(s)?

“One of those very least were George Bush’s personal complicity in the death (murder to be precise) of my friend Margie Schoedinger[,] [an African-American woman,] in September of 2003. Determining the exact whereabouts and contacts of [then] president-elect George Bush on September 21 thru 22, 2003, should be entirely lacking in difficulty” (Leola McConnell (Nevada Progressive Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate in 2010). Retrieved November 29, 2008, from http://leolaforussenate.blogspot.com/2008/02/leola-mcconnell-for-us-senate.html).

Does George W. Bush’s murder of Margie Schoedinger constitute a hate crime?

“A woman in Texas who filed a lawsuit against the president for rape and torture[,] [Margie Schoedinger,] was found shot to death. It was ruled a suicide. No one is investigating. Bush reportedly dated the woman in high school and speculation is that he was using the woman as his sex slave because he is above the law” (John Kaminski (author of “America’s Autopsy Report,” a collection of his Internet essays published on hundreds of websites around the world). (No date listed). Why We Need Martial Law . . . Criminal government is destroying America; military must step in to restore Constitution. serendipity.li. Retrieved December 10, 2008, from http://www.serendipity.li/wot/jk_on_martial_law.htm).

Do George W. Bush’s rape and torture of Margie Schoedinger constitute hate crimes?

“I believe that George W. Bush hates black people. Through secret government machinations, he caused Hurricane Katrina to form and aimed it at New Orleans on purpose, just so he could wipe out lots of poor blacks. I also believe that before the hurricane hit, he snuck into New Orleans and stole the keys to every school bus in the city to make evacuation of poor people impossible” (Janet M. Stroble. (2006, April 12). Now I Believe. http://www.military.com/. Retrieved November 26, 2008, from http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,94064,00.html).

If George W. Bush intentionally did what Janet M. Stroble indicated, would Bush have committed hate crimes against countless black people?

“I believe that George W. Bush hates Moslems. All that garbage about freedom, democracy, and the right to vote is a pollution of their culture. I believe that George W. Bush hates immigrants. There were a lot of immigrants working in the World Trade Center and George W. Bush didn’t warn them ahead of time” (Janet M. Stroble. (2006, April 12). Now I Believe. http://www.military.com/. Retrieved November 26, 2008, from http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,94064,00.html).

In that George W. Bush hates immigrants and deliberately failed to warn them ahead of time as indicated by Janet M. Stroble: would Bush accordingly be responsible for hate crimes relative to racial minorities who were harmed?

“Did Kanye West[’]s [comment], [‘]George Bush Hates Black People[’][,] get his mother killed?” (Retrieved October 18, 2008, from http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread364428/pg1).

There is a discussion at http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread364428/pg1 relating to whether President George W. Bush murdered Kanye West’s mother—Ms. Donda West.

Did President George W. Bush, who hates black people, murder Kanye West’s mother in the heat of raging racism? Somebody indicated that although the president of the United States is monitored by the Secret Service, he certainly can meet with one or more persons where his conversations are not intercepted and secretly “order a hit” on someone or order the murder of someone.

If George W. Bush did murder Kanye West’s mother, would it constitute a hate crime?

GEORGE W. BUSH MURDERED A JEW!

“George W. Bush murdered the Jewish former Senator—Paul Wellstone” (Retrieved December 10, 2008, from http://andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com/2008/12/senator-paul-wellstone-assassinated-by.html). This Internet site has a lot of information indicating that George W. Bush murdered Wellstone.

“Bush’s visit to Israel is under the guise of Middle East peace. You gotta be kidding me! Bush is THE MASTER ARCHITECT of Middle East war, not peace. . . . Bush didn’t go to Israel because he likes Israelis or like Jews, nope, he went there because he hates them. He went there to spread his message of doom, war, pain and death” (Storm Bear. (2008, January 10). PROOF: George W Bush Is An Anti-Semite! http://www.bitsofnews.com/. Retrieved November 23, 2008, from http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/6706/).

“‘We have a president who was selected rather than elected. He stole the presidency through family ties, arrogance and intimidation, employing Republican operatives to exercise the tactics of voter fraud by disenfranchising thousands of blacks, elderly Jews and other minorities’” (Barbra Streisand at BarbraStreisand.com. Retrieved November 26, 2008, from http://mindprod.com/politics/election.html).

“A new book out today quotes George W. Bush back in 1993 as saying: ‘You know what I’m gonna tell those Jews when I get to Israel, don’t you Herman? I’m telling ‘em they’re all going to hell’” (Posted by Terry Olson. (2006, September 5). The anti-Semite and the agnostic: George W. Bush and Karl Rove. OlsonOnline. Retrieved November 23, 2008, from http://joesschool.blogs.com/olsononline/2006/09/antisemite_and_.html).

“It’s now official: the Bush family wealth is linked to the Jewish Holocaust” (Retrieved November 2, 2008, from http://hubpages.com/hub/Its_now_official_the_Bush_family_wealth_is_linked_to_the_Jewish_Holocaust).

“Bush Family Are Nazi” (Retrieved November 2, 2008, from http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=132271029&blogID=198480648).

“How the Bush Family Helped Hitler Kill 6 Million Jews” (Retrieved November 2, 2008, from http://groups.google.com.vn/group/alt.atheism/browse_thread/thread/ed8f042caa600036).

“But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush’s business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W. . . .” (Retrieved November 2, 2008, from http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.med.cardiology/2004-09/2146.html).

Assuming that George W. Bush did in fact murder the Jewish former Senator—Paul Wellstone, would Bush have committed a hate crime? Bush would have “purposefully” (criminal-law terminology) murdered Wellstone. Wellstone’s Jewish wife and Jewish daughter also died in the plane crash. Bush would have “knowingly” (criminal-law terminology) murdered Wellstone’s wife and daughter. However, would Bush’s murders of Wellstone’s Jewish wife and Jewish daughter also have constituted hate crimes?

Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
B.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993

“GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY” BLOG OF ANDREW YU-JEN WANG
http://andrewyu-jenwang.blogspot.com/

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